老外在中国生活了 15 年后润回去了

[amanbolatbalabek]

我大概 5 年前在 V2EX 上发了个贴子。当时一个人在某家贸易公司做全栈开发，可是因为公司小所以会接触公司的其他业务。因此，我有了个想法真正的转行做一个程序员，在一个团队里工作，接触中国的 IT 圈子。

当时 V2EX 上很多中国网友回应我，而且给我不少建议。有些人建议继续做外贸，有些人以为我技术不过关，但还是有不少人鼓励我。我甚至认识了一个人，到现在为止做一个好朋友！

2019 年末，刚好疫情刚开始我就做出了决定，到了一家创业公司做 go 开发。收入虽然没以前高，但是认识了很多大佬，而且学了不少东西。在这家公司我了解到了中国 IT 市场的内卷。我发现的一些现象是加班，还有很多人没有时间概念，比如晚上或者周末会发微信或者打电话过来。总体来说可以接受。据说大点的公司，像阿里巴巴或者腾讯还有很多奇葩的事情。

今年因为公司没有拿到融资我就开始回复那些天天给我信息的猎头。一开始面试了几家国内企业，但是没有接受他们的工作邀请。其中一个原因是有些公司刚面试就问能不能接受加班，所以我假装可以接受过了几个。最终发现国内工资水平相对比较低，很难突破年薪百万。如果考虑加班的话那更别说了，时薪太低了。因此接受了一家外企的机会。

现在的工作是远程，而且是一个技术主管的职位，所以暂时可以满足我的要求。因为远程工作没法继续办理工作签证我就离开了中国，回家了。回到家之后感觉到了自由的滋味：不用到处扫二维码、不用戴口罩、不用开 vpn ，不用一样无缘无故的做核酸检测。😃

我讲解这个故事主要是想分享下个人经历并且感谢中国网友对我的支持！

[leedarmau]

@rocksolid 除了索马里这种 gov 形同虚设的国家，其他有正常秩序的国家里面，哪个是符合你说的完全躺平啥都不管的？真心求教。
据我所知欧美对疫苗的强制比中国还严。
所以到底哪个正常国家完全躺平啊？好想知道啊

[cnkuner]

@SuperMild 我是清零派，也不是完全清零，我主张有我的意思是你说的自由和人家的自由可能不是一回事。我支持的是有限度的自由，有些人是把自由当成神，也就是所谓的神圣不可侵犯，这些人属于信奉“自由教”的，可以归类为宗教狂热。

[aulayli]

@bam9 他在玩梗罢了，但是配学伴这事是真的🤣，没想到还有人记得。

[cnkuner]

@SuperMild 我是清零派，也不是完全清零，更多是反对防控中的官僚主义。
目前封控已经无法完成了，群众不支持，基层没能力做到，所以政策转变很正常。
我的意思是你说的自由和人家的自由可能不是一回事。有些人是把自由当成神，也就是所谓的神圣不可侵犯，这些人属于信奉“自由教”的，可以归类为宗教狂热，他们心中，自由就和上帝之于基督教、真主之于伊斯兰教一样，属于一神教中的唯一的神。

[SuperMild]

@cnkuner 人家的自由是指什么，只要没人对我说，我就不管。并且，我也没见过你说的那种极端自由主义者。在本帖中没出现的人，很难加以议论，毕竟人家都不在场。

[aulayli]

@romisanic #95 哈哈,被保护了三年🤣，这话你怎么说出口的。一个中国可是有 n 个世界的，多少人在过去 3 年遭受多少迫害你知道吗？你没被狗 gov 的铁拳砸到可不代表别人就和你一样岁月静好。

[WOLFRAZOR]

Many Chinese people think that "laying flat" means giving up management. That's not true, I don't know what the situation is in your country. I used to know a Chinese student (from Shandong) who was studying in the United States. In Minnesota, he told me: "The Chinese media are talking nonsense. The mRNA vaccine is given here, and the vaccination rate is very high. There is no such thing as the Chinese media said." Don’t wear a mask”, and you still have to wear a mask at present. It reduces the chance of infection. The mRNA vaccine is more durable than the inactivated vaccine. As for the side effects, they are similar. Some of my friends have some symptoms after being vaccinated, but they get better soon. "SARS in 2003,
2008 Chinese milk scandal, 2011 Wukan protests,etc....Most of the media was suppressed.Reporting these negative things is almost risking life. Most people dare not report at all in order to save their lives and jobs.Having a conscience but not being able to exercise it is the greatest tragedy.

Due to poor information and the special translation methods of the Chinese media, people who do not know how to use a VPN know completely different things than those who know how to use a VPN.

My personal position is against the "zero policy", at least the economy has been shattered. The real estate thunderstorm triggered the "dominos" of China's economy, and all kinds of problems were trampled and exploded like landmines. Last month, my high school classmate (law major) talked with me on the phone, "I am bearish on China's financial and technology industries in the next ten years. At least the two positions of Hong Kong and Shanghai have been completely destroyed. Hong Kong's The position of the financial industry was soon replaced by Singapore. Macau is getting rid of the "gaming industry", but it is getting rid of difficulties due to lack of preparation. Shanghai has been closed for three months. It is reasonable to restore the economy and cannot be closed again. However, this recovery process has been repeatedly interrupted. It has sharply accelerated the evacuation of all foreigners with foreign capital and foreign companies in Shanghai. People who want to come don’t dare to come because they are afraid because of policy issues.”

In October, there was a mass exodus of workers from Foxconn in Zhengzhou. On November 24th, a fire broke out in Urumqi (originally there were good conditions to save people and put out the fire, but because of the "zero clearing policy". As a result, 10 people were burned alive and 9 people were injured.) Xinjiang and Tibet were The city has been closed for more than 100 days. Due to the inherently harsh natural environment and economic environment, the people of these areas are live in very difficult.

The "Tencent and Alibaba" you mentioned, in addition to the "996 work issue", there are also "national security and data storage issues". The Chinese government has a stake in domestic entities under ByteDance and Sina Weibo. Although they hold 1% of the shares, they have "one-vote veto power"; that is to say, they are monitored by upper-level authorities. In the future, these IT private enterprises will be transformed into state-owned enterprises, which is a long-term process.

[WOLFRAZOR]

下面内容与 op 无关。主要是给评论区的一些人看的 [如果带着严重的偏见阅读，我建议立即关掉网页] 。

This is the most classic speech of the writer Long Yingtai:

Going back to the theme of the Chinese dream today, many Taiwanese may jump up and say: "China is not my dream, and there is no China in my dream." However, if you ask Long Yingtai if he has a Chinese dream, I will first ask What does the "China" in your Chinese dream refer to? If it refers to "country" or "government", "country" and "government" are just management organizations in my mind, sorry, I have no dream about "country", "government" always say lie. But if the "China" you mean refers to the people in this land, this society, how can I not have a dream? Not to mention that this beautiful land is the eternal hometown of my beloved father and mother. The good and bad of this place have such a great impact on Taiwan. The good and bad of this place will affect the future of the entire human community. How can I Will there be no Chinese Dream?

Let’s start with the phrase “rise of great powers”. I would like to see the rise of China, but I hope it will rise with the power of civilization. How to measure civilization? I would like to share with you my own yardstick for measuring civilization. It's not too difficult. The degree of civilization of a city depends on how the city treats its mental patients, how well it serves the disabled, how well it takes care of the widows and lonely, and how it treats the so-called low-level migrant workers. To me, this is a very specific measure of civilization. How civilized a country is depends on how it treats immigrants and its minority groups. This of course also includes how 1.3 billion people treat 23 million people!

Who cares about the "rise of great powers"? At least I don't care. What I care about is the scale of civilization that I just mentioned. How you, a big country, treat your weak and minorities, and how you tolerate dissidents with different opinions, this is what I care about. If it is said that the so-called rise of a great power, the pride of its people is military arrogance, economic wealth and power, and political power. bring disaster and danger to their own people as well as to human communities.

Who cares about "blood is thicker than water"? At least I don't care that much. If we have no consensus on the scale of civilization at all, if we can't talk about the value of the foundation at all, does "blood is thicker than water" make sense?

When my father was fifteen years old, he used a pole and two bamboo baskets to go to the railway station in Mount Heng, Hunan, to buy vegetables and prepare to pick them up the mountain. It just so happened that the Kuomintang was recruiting the military police student corps, and the young man made a decision immediately: he put down his shoulder pole and followed the army. My father was born in 1919. In 2004, I took my father's ashes and returned to Shangougou in Longjiayuan, Hengshan, Hunan. The villagers lit up firecrackers all the way to welcome this man who had been away from home for 70 years and lived a life of wandering. The wanderers return home. During family sacrifices, I heard an elder sing a mournful elegy in the oldest Chu country dialect. I, who kept ninja tears, couldn't bear it anymore. The accent of the Chu country made me realize more deeply how my father was forced to leave his own culture and live a life of involuntary exile. It was not until I returned to that land with his ashes in my hands that I deeply felt what kind of modern Chinese history this young man who returned with his ashes after seventy years had experienced. And how my mother, who grew up on the banks of the Xin'an River in Zhejiang, missed that clear river for fish all her life.

An open and inclusive China So, please believe me, my hope for China is sincere. But please don't talk to me about "the rise of great powers", please don't talk to me about "blood is thicker than water". What I am deeply looking forward to seeing is a China that dares to use the standard of civilization to test itself; such a China, because of self-confidence, So open, because it is open, it is inclusive, and because of inclusiveness, its power is more flexible and longer-term. When the power of its civilization is flexible and long-term, it will make a key contribution to the peace of the entire human race.

I wrote "Wild Fire Collection" in 1985, and in January 1986, "Wild Fire Collection" was published amidst the panic. In August, I moved to Europe. On the eve of leaving Taiwan, he gave a farewell speech, which was the only one during the "wildfire" period. The speech took place in an atmosphere of fear of "blackout" at any time. Today, August 1, 2010, at Peking University, I miss the last paragraph of that speech and share it with mainland readers:

On the night of parting, you may ask me what kind of dream I have for Taiwan?

Yes.

Standing here to speak tonight, I have deep fear in my heart, fearing the consequences of my words tonight. My dream is that the next generation of Chinese people can stand in any place at any night and speak their hearts. Want to say what you want without any fear in your heart. All the efforts of our generation are nothing more than the hope that our children will have freedom from fear in the future.

It was August 11th, 1986.

[StephenHe]

这么抽象的词语都学会了，厉害

[sublimeyue]

@Dkngit
1. 你，只代表你自己，我，也不能做主， 我们都是这个世界的小人物。
2. 给你自由的土地， 然后呢？当原始人？真分给你个新疆大戈壁， 你准备靠爱发电？ 天真
3. 为你好， 有时候是真的只是为你好，当我年轻的时候， 我也烦我父母， 我也烦那些天天在我耳边说：“我这是为你好。”的那群人。就像现在的你一样， 我觉得我有自己的思想， 我有我自己的人生，为什么要听你们的？ 现在我有了家庭， 有了自己的孩子， 我终于也对我的孩子说出了那句话， 我说出来的以后，我想了很久，好像真的明白了他们对我说，这是为你好的时候的那种感觉。年龄和阅历的增长是会改变一个人的心境的， 我现在说什么都无法改变你，也不需要得到你的认同。 但真到了那个时候， 你自然就懂了。开个玩笑话：10 几岁的时候， 我命由我不由天，30 几岁的时候， 求求老天放过我。真到了那个时候， 你就懂了。希望你记住这句话。
4. 如果你单纯的把为你好， 当成是在控制你， 那希望你的人生中永远也不要对别人说出那句，我是为你好。
5. 实际上， 当你提出你的所谓意见， 然后说出上述话的时候， 你真的显得非常幼稚， 就和我当初一样的。
6. 希望你以后的人生能更好。

[WOLFRAZOR]

a message on twitter just now:

In the "White Paper Movement", a total of 91 students were taken away by the police, and 14 of them were identified as the organizers of the activity. These 14 students can no longer take the civil service exam, are never hired, and need to obtain a level I security clearance to obtain a passport. All their social media accounts were suspended for 3 years. The other students admitted their mistakes and apologized at the police station, and wrote a letter of guarantee. Let them go home without leaving a criminal record. "

⬆️Never take part in any Parade any countries, there will be someone to take pictures and file a record in your archive.

Feng Xiaogang, Wu Yajun, Lang Xianping and other wealthy people all left China. Feng Xiaogang once said "Cultural Revolution 2.0" (an event from 1966 to 1976, similar to the Great Purge of the Soviet Union).There are liberals in China, but most of them are suppressed and persecuted. It has nothing to do with whether or not they enter the party system. If they dare to criticize, they will be persecuted. Once this is done, there is no room for maneuver. BBC TV has a 2016 video about independent candidates. The interview was stopped by people from the Public Security Bureau. It slapped the system severely.They can only hide themselves. There is no idea to solve these problems.

There are so many sensitive words in Chinese, I really don't plan to use Chinese to reply to posts in this forum anymore.Every time I use Chinese, it takes so much time to modify the content to avoid sensitive words. Only anger and helplessness.This comment area of this post has become a place of quarrels, only various noises, which have long deviated from the content of the discussion.

There is no one in the world who does not make mistakes, even famous people such as Steve Jobs and Bill Gates make mistakes. The key lies in what, dare to accept criticism and the attitude towards criticism. "Great work outweighs faults" does not mean "only merits, no faults".

Hans Goebbels say: "The nation and the government in Germany are one thing. The will of the people is the will of the government and vice versa." [the original german is "Du bist nichts; Dein Volk ist alles."] The Nazis used this sentence to brainwash the people. Smart people are not brainwashed by these things, they seek the advantages and avoid the disadvantages.They can live well without motherland.

The Chinese say their country always use "motherland", People in other countries use"homeland",The emotional color expressed by the words is completely different. In China, patriotism is equal to loving the party. In Hong Kong a long time ago, there was a saying that "love the country but not the party".However, with the increasingly serious conflict between China and Hong Kong, the rise of local factions, the controversy over Hong Kong’s extradition law, and Beijing’s unilaterally forcibly modifying Hong Kong’s election methods, such discussions have become less and less frequent. Even in 2021, the Hong Kong and Macao Affairs Office of the State Council Director Xia Baolong and Hong Kong Secretary for Constitutional and Mainland Affairs Zeng Guowei also stated that "being patriotic means not hurting the leadership of the %******e &***********t P**ty."There is a heavy price to be paid for listening only to good things and not to bad things.

Criticizing the government and subverting the government are two different things.Subverting the government is illegal in all countries.Many people say that the United States, the United States also has laws and regulations, Section 2385 of Chapter 115 of the United States Code does mention the crime of subverting the government. This law stipulates that it is illegal to subvert or destroy the government. Offenders will be fined or sentenced to a maximum of 20 years in prison. After the sentence, they will not be allowed to hold public office in the US government within 5 years.

[sublimeyue]

@WOLFRAZOR 典型的话术， 我真的不知道有什么可值得阅读的。欧美所作的恶劣的事情，撒的谎，所用的卑鄙的手段只会比中国更多。借用 fifa 主席因凡蒂諾的话来说，“我们欧洲人太爱给人上课了。欧洲人过去在这个世界上做的事情，我们得道歉 3000 年，才有资格道德说教。”
哦， 还有老蓬佩奥说的： “我们撒谎、我们欺骗、我们偷窃。我们还有一门课程专门来教这些。这才是美国不断探索进取的荣耀。” 所以？ 天下乌鸦一般黑， 欧美人没有资格来指责中国的事情。欧美的那帮子人？呵呵。。

[evan6]

洋装虽然穿在身，你心依然是中国心！

[MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM]

楼主，如果你懂得运营“粉丝”流量，在中国可以小赚一笔的，大可以试试自媒体这份工作
"外国人"身份在中文环境就是天生自带流量的，可能存在一点争议性，但无疑流量是很高的

就好比这个帖子，虽然可能就是一个 vlog 性质的分享
但是你看：你发帖了 21 个小时，1 万 6 的点击，200 多楼回复
这个数据在 v 站已经算是"火了"，在国内那些平台应该会更多的

[WOLFRAZOR]

The United States also has laws, not without restrictions. Why are there many major incidents in China? That's because the conflict has been going on for a long time. Mild methods cannot solve the problem, so only violent and intimidating methods can be used.

If politics is left unchecked, then that's a red flag.I don't deny the West's mistakes. The shootings in the United States, as well as the repeated thefts, must be problematic.

如果把批评都当成 xx 处理，那谁还敢批评啊？这都要说成"foreign forces"。

“莫须有”，如果读过岳飞，就知道这个有多可怕。

Yanjun Xu, Xiaolang Zhang,An Quanzong.呵呵呵，还敢说没有任何错误吗？

[spark]

哟，好多舔狗啊

[romisanic]

@amanbolatbalabek
"当一个人到了国外，上了学，工作了十几年，成家了，买了几套房子后很难做出决定离开这个地方。"
所以你这么诋毁和攻击，是为了让你做出离开的决定容易一点是吗？
你中文这么好，“白眼狼”这个词你想必也听说过，你觉得跟你匹配不匹配？
你找不到合适的工作，你待不下去，于是你想要离开这里，那你离开就是了，坦然接受自己的情况，不要向外归因。
骗自己没问题，但是把骗自己的话说出来试图让别人也赞同你，那就是你的不对了。

[romisanic]

@aulayli
难道你是过去三年被捶了三年吗？
多少人遭受迫害？那有多少人被防疫保护没有感染你知道吗？还是说选择性失明，只想看到符合自己恨国怨家情怀的消息？

[WOLFRAZOR]

Have I ever said, "Believe all the West"?
Think about it in head. It's definitely wrong.What is true and what is false,anyone with a brain will know.

Some Chinese always believe ########ent and $####.结果到最后，铁拳砸下来才知道疼。“你怎么知道#拳下一个砸的是不是你，这跟本没法预测的”。I say that because I read a lot of historical politics books.我肯定挨过拳，“上海的三个月”。我同学有武汉人，说实话，这个是永远不能抹去和忘记的（留下极大的心理阴影）

[WOLFRAZOR]

财政问题，简单说一下。我家有亲戚在区财政局工作的，她就说“资金剩余不多了，濒临消耗完毕。一大堆欠条”，这还是在广东，根本无法想象其他省市是啥样子。

[zololiu]

中文也太牛了~~ 欢迎经常回来玩哈。💕

[sublimeyue]

@hoko1814
1. 封控之初， 你问问你周围的七大姑八大姨， 你的亲朋好友？ 他们愿不愿意封控， 就算是现在， 你再问问周围的人，恐怕得到的回答也是 55 开。所以中国不让人说话， 不让人报道事实， 欧美就让了？欧美就报道事实了？媒体本来就是国家的宣传工具，在哪里都一样。斯诺登不就说了点真话嘛，为什么美国要他命？ 维基解密阿桑奇， 不就说了点真话，美国为啥要抓他？ 不就是把老美那点肮脏事情抖出来了嘛， 面子挂不住了嘛。
2. 为什么我们不来谈谈抗美援朝上面那些牺牲的士兵？ 为什么不谈谈抗日战争中保家卫国的战士？他们牺牲自己，保卫老百姓的时候， 不是牺牲小我保全大我？
3. 如果你非要谈拯救大兵， 那为什么最后找到瑞恩以后，小队不是将瑞恩带回去，而是和瑞恩一起守桥？ 因为守桥会拯救更多的人。守桥会死在那里吗？也许会，也许不会。但是他们都毅然的留下来，为什么？因为他们知道牺牲少数人成全多数人，这种做法是对的， 引用我看过的一句话拯救大兵的影评：瑞恩的生命就值得让八个人以命相搏吗， 值得，因为每一个生命都应该被尊重，但如果注定有鲜活的生命要消逝，那么就让一人的牺牲换取更多人的重生。这句话我觉得就是对拯救大兵这部电影最好的诠释。
4. 至于拯救大兵这种事情， 我建议你去查查：十三壮士归玉门，干这种事情，我们比老美早 2000 年。
5. 在这场全球的疫情里， 只有中国做到了拯救大兵瑞恩里，不分高低贵贱，尊重每一个生命。而拍摄电影的美国，做到了吗？我想几十年以后，人类再次回望这段历史的时候会给出一个公平的答案的。

[WOLFRAZOR]

印钞肯定是要付出代价的，不计代价就是津巴布韦币的下场。

评论区有些人没搞清楚问题就怼和骂，看不懂或选择性失明我可没办法了。还在强调清零二字的走远点（是不是真的很想一夜回到 70 年前啊）

Never wake those who pretend to be asleep,no one can't help it.

这个帖子回复到此为止，再见！ This is my last for this post. Bye.

[pcitme]

@lbfeng 那是因为解封了 不然新疆封城三个月枉死十人 十几万人挤到市 ZF 第二天怎么就社会面清零了？ TG 上讨薪？麻烦把群介绍给我，国内 46 万家中小企业倒闭包括我公司，不知他人苦 莫劝他人善。

[WOLFRAZOR]

贵州 27 人，乌鲁木齐 10 人，没核酸检测的孕妇导致流产，兰州的小孩发高烧不让去医院（最后人没了）。如果这都不是命，那我只能说这是利己主义者。程序员用谷歌那么久，难道连 BBC 等这些都完全不看的吗？

我说的是选择性看，原因懂的都懂。夹带私货的可以不看啊，又不是强制行为。

[LiuJiang]

快回来，村里发黄金了！

[WOLFRAZOR]

你国的特色翻译，无所不有，真厉害。看到都得点赞。

不再回复这个帖子，下沉吧。

[anaf]

快来人反驳#222 楼的 #225 楼 你应该 @下 222 楼的 这些新闻我觉得他从来都没看过 ，那些被拉上警车被警车殴打的 ， 监督局 进人家家里殴打的 视频他都不懂的 ， 唐山的女孩他也不懂 ，
不让人说话这就是最大的问题 ，不要扯什么国外的就给了之类的 ，现在是在国内 不是国外

[wsjwqq]

@WOLFRAZOR 终于不刷屏了，感谢

[mxalbert1996]

@SuperMild 完全自愿是不可能的，人身自由也只是在一定框架内的自由，除非你一辈子生活在公海。如果不做任何管控，病毒会快速蔓延，对国家各方面造成打击，所以一个正常的国家一定会做管控，区别只在于程度了。

[leiletter]

在大陆打怪升级积累经验回国外降维打击

[hoko1814]

@sublimeyue 牺牲小部分人成全大多数人，这不是最关键的，最关键的是你征求了小部分人的意见么？

[hoko1814]

@sublimeyue 还有你说到“尊重每一个生命”，我看到这个真的很无语，尊重到让人上街抗议么。最后看到你说“回望这段历史”，不让人说话，不让媒体报道，你觉得在国内能看到真实的历史么？你觉得在国内能爆出棱镜门事件么？如果你非得用这种摆烂的思维去比较中国和美国的 XW 自由、YL 自由，那我无话可说，没有最基本的讨论前提。

[hoko1814]

@sublimeyue 天下乌鸦一般黑？前提是你能知道他黑： https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV13g4y187Xz/?vd_source=6378a863850607041e345347ad7e3be9

[aulayli]

@romisanic 我被铁拳砸的可不止三年。疫情三年，我也经历过几次大规模疫情了，被防疫保护还真没看到，因为形式主义，不讲科学的防疫手段而感染倒是很多。还有我可没怨恨我的国家，我很爱我的国家，爱国不等于爱 ccp 。

[aulayli]

@romisanic 算了，我只是底层的一个屁民韭菜，跟您这大老爷不是一个层次的，我说了一个中国是有 n 个世界的，我们不在一个世界，我与千千万万个底层人因为防疫受到的困难你也是无法理解的，我们无法共情。我也不想辩论什么，你也无需再回复我。

[aulayli]

我觉得这个帖子应该移到水深区了。 @livid

[efaun]

祝好, 远离中国

[WOLFRAZOR]

The Epoch Times, I dare not say how. Although it is made of wheels, some things can still be seen. Not something that's completely unwatchable.

A book called the Nine Commentaries on the C********** ***** was published by them, as well as a collection of essays titled "The Devil Is Dominating Our World".

I only watched that anthology.For me, it's a different angle to look at the problem.

China's media is non-profit, which means the government will definitely control speech,The outside media is a profit system. To put it bluntly, it is to collect money to do things.The biggest difference is between CNN and Fox.读不出任何区别就要重学英语四六级。

如果是带着偏见和有色眼镜的，那算了吧。这种人没救了。再次强调，如果你觉得不顺眼，可以忽略和屏蔽，每个人有权利这么做。张维维，陈平，金灿荣，还有另一个；我相信大家都知道怎么回事，不知道我也没办法了。

如果明知道墙内不给发，然而偏要发出来。那是 250 。做事情是要付出代价的。

忘记回复 wsj 那位，我只是说我的意见，还有一些事实。因为东西实在是太多了，不可能分多次写。所以干脆一次能写多少就写多少。刷屏没办法了。另：op 选错地方发帖，导致评论区变成吵闹不休的市场一样。

这帖子又一次浮了上来，md 快快下沉吧。

[llix110]

这是一个刚好放开的自由时间节点，三年的抗疫刚刚结束，欢迎等春暖花开了再来看看。
Look forward to your next visit!

[Chad0000]

@sublimeyue
只想说这个所谓的保护是给自己脸上贴金了，一没有听专家的意见，二说开放就放得那么彻底跟过家家似的说好的保护呢？三是明知道开放会大规模感染，为什么在这么长时间内没有做准备，医疗资源扩充了么，疫苗批了么，为什么不等注射率上去再开？

[Chad0000]

@rocksolid
国外也不是完全放开各由天命。

[hackpro]

村里不是发金条了吗
为啥还跑😂

[deorth]

看哭了

[fs418082760]

杭州已经放开了，不用扫码了

[SuperMild]

@mxalbert1996

完全自愿是不可能，我也没有提倡绝对自由，你说区别在于程度，我非常同意，这个程度就是关键中的关键，如果程度适中，必然更少人有怨言，最大的问题就是程度太严格，而越严格就越需要高超的管理能力，偏偏又不具备相应的管理能力，结果乱象丛生，这一切都根源之一就是程度问题。

[Dkngit]

@sublimeyue
> 1. 你，只代表你自己，我，也不能做主， 我们都是这个世界的小人物。

知道自己是小人物了，那怎么到处给别人做主，以为自己天知地知。


> 2. 给你自由的土地， 然后呢？当原始人？真分给你个新疆大戈壁， 你准备靠爱发电？ 天真

这确实是我天真了，只有当拥有强大的武力时才能获得适宜的土地。我错在把你的话玩笑话当真了，你之前的一切假设都是笑话，真以为自己能决定什么。


> 3. 为你好， 有时候是真的只是为你好，当我年轻的时候， 我也烦我父母， 我也烦那些天天在我耳边说：“我这是为你好。”的那群人。就像现在的你一样， 我觉得我有自己的思想， 我有我自己的人生，为什么要听你们的？ 现在我有了家庭， 有了自己的孩子， 我终于也对我的孩子说出了那句话， 我说出来的以后，我想了很久，好像真的明白了他们对我说，这是为你好的时候的那种感觉。年龄和阅历的增长是会改变一个人的心境的， 我现在说什么都无法改变你，也不需要得到你的认同。 但真到了那个时候， 你自然就懂了。开个玩笑话：10 几岁的时候， 我命由我不由天，30 几岁的时候， 求求老天放过我。真到了那个时候， 你就懂了。希望你记住这句话。

我早就认清一个人的宿命无法改变，我从来没有过这个想法“我命由我不由天”。现在、以后 都不要假设我怎么想的，你根本不知道。


> 4. 如果你单纯的把为你好， 当成是在控制你， 那希望你的人生中永远也不要对别人说出那句，我是为你好。

我从来没有对谁说过“我是为你好”，只是提出建议，接不接受是他自己的事情。尊重个人命运。


> 5. 实际上， 当你提出你的所谓意见， 然后说出上述话的时候， 你真的显得非常幼稚， 就和我当初一样的。

说出这句话的你，表现得你自己很幼稚，总把别人当成小孩。MD 一股爹味，是不是想说自己吃的盐比我吃的米还多，所以你说的话就是有道理？


> 6. 希望你以后的人生能更好。
感谢祝福

[Joker520]

@winglight2016 误杀了

[romisanic]

@aulayli
无非就是屁股问题，确实有 N 个世界，你只在意你的那一个而已，你甚至不是只在意你的那一个世界，你只是在意你自己。别说什么你与千千万万底层人民了，我也是底层，但是我很不认可你，你也别代表我。我也曾经因为疫情没有收入，我也曾经因为疫情居家很久，但我认为是我们的防疫方法让我和我身边，以及肉眼可见的十分多的人再这三年来能够一次都没有感染，所以我感谢 gov 保护了我们，虽然有些地方美中不足。
而在你利益受损的时候，这些措施在你眼里就成了形式主义。此外，别那那些什么国是国，gov 是 gov 的思想麻痹自己了，这种说法很可笑。
确实道不同不相为谋，你也别回复了。

[hackersli]

快回来，发金条了🐶

[hackersli]

快回来，发~条了🐶

[kingpo]

@amanbolatbalabek #6 广州已经全面取消了，昨晚全国坐高铁都不用看了，也就这几天的事，全国都放开了

[kingwang]

强国的教育好啊，教出来的都是些什么玩意。你吃饭拉屎都跟政治有关系，怎么一扯到政治就成建政了？

[Jack1230]

@fredli 老哥，OP 是啥意思

[SgtPepper]

@Jack1230 楼主

[WOLFRAZOR]

Unblocking has nothing to do with @@, it was paid for by many innocent lives and some violent means. Still the same sentence: no one can do wrong. When authority makes mistakes, the question is whether anyone dares to point it out. If it becomes like Putin (two people in a meeting, but a 10-meter table); it will be very scary.

Some of my relatives live in Hong Kong, distant relatives, who are very old. She fled to Hong Kong during World War II and never came back. When I went to Hong Kong once, I went to her house and talked for a long time. The final conclusion is: the "Pearl of the Orient" is no longer, and has completely declined. Many messes have not been resolved, but have become more and more rotten, like a rotten cabbage.

I also have Taiwanese people I know because common topic when chatting. His parents are Taishang. Their family lives in Suzhou, they have four villas in Suzhou and two ordinary houses in Taipei. 今年他们家的业务损失惨重，明年撤出大陆回台，然后移民美国。有一天他给我发了很多东西，还打电话过来和我聊。He did not blindly praise Taiwan, but also pointed out some problems facing Taiwan.

I also know a Hebei native living in Beijing,He said he lives under high pressure every day,social software is hardly opened, and emails and phone calls are also unresponsive.I know why, but there's nothing I can do.My brother is studying for a Ph.D. at Tsinghua University. He originally went home this summer vacation, but later he was afraid to go home because of the health code problem. Once the pop-up window appears, it is impossible to enter Beijing. The procedures for applying for leave are cumbersome and very difficult.

如果要问是真是假，那对不起，这些内容全都是真的。

[WOLFRAZOR]

There is a voting advertisement in Russia, which means don’t just vote for the Russian ##########t P####，It is undeniable that some Yellow Russian (Russian:Желтороссия )have been brainwashed.

The Russians themselves have long been afraid that, what else to say.

[hayala]

@sublimeyue 老哥你是真敢说啊，在这种需要梯子才能上的网站去反对他们口中的“自由”是要被群起而攻之的

[WOLFRAZOR]

Why don't watch the BBC when using Google and GitHub?Say it many times, selectively, don't pass it inside the wall.Is that really hard to do?What's it like to go to jail instead of die?It's not stupid to know you're carrying contraband without making a choice.Some of the comments in the comments section are the same as those online commentators, commuters, and self-employed people.

I don't know why many people deliberately avoid historical politics and don't want to understand it.Always afraid to poke at something.

[yiqiao]

@MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM 回复大多数都是疫情话题，有点跑题了吧

[Earth2004]

@SherloFun 典型的 whataboutism ，还任何制度都有铁拳。封控是强制性的放开可不是，你可以继续自我封控嘛。

[yazoox]

OP ，你现在是远程工作，不知道你们公司还有没有 hc 招远程的工程师。我在一直在外企工作，英文沟通，读写都没有问题。:-)

[WOLFRAZOR]

I believe many people despise HX people and T&&&&& people. Why do they all want to be i#############? HX(in the past, before 1997) and T#####have their own advantages.Relations with the West cannot be said to be without flaws. But at least some advantages can be absorbed. Different "技工贸" and "贸工技" ，the former uses "technology to promote the development of trade", while the latter uses "trade to promote the development of technology".How many times have history said that people have selfish desires? Suppose you make money, will you still think about developing technology? Certainly not, must be thinking about how to make more money.

The answer from Zhihu's question "Why do programmers depreciate more and more as they get older?": Because there is no compilation. Many people call Shiyigong, but is it true that the older you get, the more popular you are? The teachers of New Oriental Learning and Thinking outside the system, who are capable until the age of 30, are all high-spirited. The government's temporary workers do dirty work the same as civil servants, but if the temporary workers can't work anymore, they should be unemployed or still have to be unemployed. Doctors in private hospitals, except for a few high-level ones, were laid off if their profitability did not meet expectations. The most important thing about teachers and doctors is actually the establishment, not their profession. The establishment means that your destiny is bound to the big car of the country, rather than a company that collapses at any time, so the stability is greatly enhanced. As long as you have a budget, the older you are, the more popular you become. In our state-owned enterprise, there are only a few post-90s code farmers, most of whom are over 30 and 40 years old, and there is even a small leader who is nearly 60 years old and close to retirement. Coders, they don't have a midlife crisis. But as long as you don't have the guarantee of the national establishment, most of the professions will get worse as you get older, and even programmers can be regarded as one of the good professions outside the system.

There is a self-mockery of a Chinese programmer: it is 2022 in a blink of an eye.
About 17 years ago, I drew charts by hand, and the GD library drew dotted lines, curves, columns, and pie charts. Do you want it now?
About 16 years ago, I unpacked it by myself to understand the structure of eml, doc, xls (not docx, xlsx), package and send the report. Do you want it now?
About 15 years ago, I also worked on front-end miscellaneous. Due to the difficulty of choosing extjs, jquery, mootools, etc., I built a set of native js libraries, and then encapsulated a complete set of UI libraries such as Tab, list, tree, form, and calendar. . Do you want it now?
About 14 years ago, I was ignorant and hadn’t heard of Map/Reduce, Hadoop. I used fork+pipe+ssh to do a pseudo-distributed log analysis and statistics program for multiple machines and multiple processes. Uh~ multi-processes just don’t want to waste the multi-core CPU of the server. Do you want it now?
...You may want to say: "Talk is cheap, show me the code." Those sporadic bits and pieces above are still there, but I really can't get them out. There is a private web framework that started in 2004 and took shape in 2009. Oh, let me tell you, all these years, it's just toss around CRUD (addition, deletion, modification, query). Do you think you want it?

Don't look at me as an old man, I can still write Vue/React Oh, I'm also selling myself as a performer, do you think you want it?

I'm a wild programmer, and I can't produce that piece of paper to prove myself; the experience is still a bit telling, but I only explain it to the headhunter, and immediately end it politely-after all, my ability is not high enough to bypass the employer's HR. A while ago, a headhunter asked me if I knew a person in charge of a certain department. I used to work in the same company. I said I knew him but he might not remember me. Little people like me, who cares.

At the age of 30, I changed to a small unit in a second-tier city, and stood out among the crowd of undergraduates and masters. Although he is a so-called technical director, what can he supervise? In fact, he is still a handyman. Maybe one day the boss will figure it out and feel that there is really no need to support such a team (I have also persuaded me to do so), then this should be my last official job.

In the future, I will no longer be able to work part-time... Except for the age of 35, I am not representative, and I should not answer this question. What is the use of saying these? It's just Mrs. Xianglin's nagging.

One wrote about the current situation in China: very disrespectful to technical personnel (not only in the computer industry, but also in other science and engineering industries). Graduated at the age of 35, the general environment is like this. manifestation of poverty. Can only pursue material things. No conditions or no spiritual pursuit. Because domestic programmers have been brainwashed by Baidu and CSDN, big cows rely on bragging to show their faces, and programmers who have the feeling of liberating productivity are extremely rare...

Intellectual property rights are very secondary to the relationship between supply and demand. If it is all for money, there will be no cross-platform universal and ecologically powerful vscode. There are problems with leading manufacturers and open source suppliers. For example, although HBuilder is open source, it has not supported Linux for many years and has long been abandoned by individuals. China's basic software market is
Short, flat, fast.

In addition to a bunch of app, back-end, front-end, and low-tech work.

There are basically no ones who can write compilers, operating systems, graphics processing software, file processing software, video processing software, cad, and eda.

Mainly our education is biased towards test-taking.
English has become the three main subjects alongside Chinese and mathematics. Mathematics should be pushed hard, but the compilation of college mathematics textbooks is terrible.

All industries with high software requirements are basically mathematics, but is our university mathematics taught to people?

How much money has Microsoft spent on vscode? This thing is a huge investment and requires high technical staff. There is no short-term profit (maybe 5 to 10 years), and users are very picky (see if ordinary editors can catch your eye). Unless you have as much money as Microsoft and enough technology accumulation as Microsoft, you really Can't afford it.

[amanbolatbalabek]

@yazoox 一直再招，投一投简历试试 😃

[HankAviator]

@WOLFRAZOR 如果是引用，请你用链接代替引用全文的方式，这样反复刷屏很不礼貌（如果你在声称不回帖后还要继续回帖）。如果是你自己的内容……外国人都愿意在非国际化论坛用当地语言，从礼节上也应该照顾照顾阅读者的感受吧。既然看到你可以用中文输入，也没必要用英文找优越感。有很多英文 /国际论坛适合你这样做（虽然在那些地方，刷屏仍然不礼貌）

[sublimeyue]

@Dkngit
1. 我没有为你做主， 而是你在提出要求。而我告诉你， 这个要求并不能做到并且幼稚，所以我到底怎么做主了？只是告诉你， 这种方式行不通，这就叫到处为别人做主？你就这么不能接受不同的意见？
2. 如果你觉得应该要给你适宜的土地， 并且什么都有？如果什么都有，不需要提前建设？
3. 你并没有看清现实， 看清了， 就不会再来提那么幼稚的要求。
4. “我命”这句话只是句玩笑话，好像我已经说明过了， 如果你真的很在意这个，并且觉得这就是我在揣测你的想法，那我只能说抱歉了。我无意揣测你的想法，只是告诉你，我的心路历程。我说过，我现在说什么都无法改变你，也不需要得到你的认同。所以，你可以当成一个建议，就像你说的：只是提出建议，接不接受是你自己的事情。我并没有强迫你接受什么。
5. 你提出的问题本来就是很幼稚的，所以我不能说了？说你幼稚就是一股爹味？“是不是想说自己吃的盐比我吃的米还多，所以你说的话就是有道理？” 麻烦你也不要假设我怎么想的，你根本不知道。哈哈哈，真的，前面叫我不要假设你的想法，后面却来假设我的想法，所以，你觉得你很成熟吗？
6. 不用谢， 我真心希望所有人都能过得很好。

[sublimeyue]

@Chad0000
1.我不知道你从哪里了解到的，没有听专家的意见。只要不放开，就是不听专家意见？你参与了决策？还是说你仅仅凭你的想象？
2. 说好的保护呢？太能扯了，国家想要保护你们，你们不想要啊。不是要闹吗？那就放开呗，又不是国家主动让放开的，到底为什么现在就放开，心里能没点逼数？难道不是“民意”如此吗？顺应“民意”被骂，不放开也要骂，恐怕没有国家能如你们的意了。
3. 等？ “民意”允许国家等了吗？为什么现在就放开，难道不是被“民意”逼迫的吗？全面的，完全的放开，“民意”不就是想要这样吗？你们不是要自由，民主嘛，尊重民意，全面放开，不是民心所向吗？不是封控侵犯人身自由了吗？怎么了？现在开始问医疗准备好了没？疫苗批了没？注射率上去了没？要开始写小作文了？喊放开的时候，你们可不是这幅模样啊。

[sublimeyue]

@anaf 你可以直接回复我，不用拉别人一起。国内确实在很多问题发生，但不代表国外就是晴空万里。天下哪里都一样。我想我之前的很多回复里都说了，天下乌鸦一般黑。黑命贵，0 元购。。。想要知道，我还能跟你说很多。所以？能代表什么？所以只能你说外国好，我就不能说中国好？就必须要说中国坏，才符合你的价值观？天下熙熙皆为利来，天下攘攘皆为利往。 只要有人在，你说的事情一样都不会少。

[sublimeyue]

@hoko1814 国家所有事情都需要征求小部分人的意见？那你去问问老美，他们是不是这样的，甚至你可以看看全世界，哪个国家是这样的，如果你找到了，麻烦告诉我，谢谢。你自己没看懂拯救大兵，却来告诉我：牺牲小部分人成全大多数人，这不是最关键？

[sublimeyue]

@hoko1814 你长这么大，还不知道社会的黑暗？还需要别人来告诉你？看来你生活得确实很好。

[sublimeyue]

@hoko1814
1. 新闻自由？言论自由？你太看得起美国了。他们在 twitter 上面删帖比我们勤快多了，还有 youtube ，facebook ，和你能想到的所在媒体，几乎都是被管控了的。都告诉你了，媒体是国家工具，还不懂？哈哈哈， 新闻自由，言论自由。。。笑死了。老美只给你看他们想给你看的。所有国家都是一样的。言论自由，新闻自由，斯诺登跑什么？不是言论自由吗？那是因为他泄露了国家机密，什么国家机密？就是美国监控了全世界所有人的言论。所以，这就叫言论自由？
2. 棱镜门？这种屎一般的行为，你觉得他们的新闻自由和言论自由是真的吗？统统都被监控了。所以？一个被监控的新闻自由和言论自由？动不动 fbi 就上门问候了，这就是你所谓的新闻自由，言论自由？哈哈哈，还敢提棱镜门。。只是美国现在是世界第一而已，普通的言论很难撼动它的统治，如果哪天中国成了世界第一，你会发现，你也可以新闻自由，言论自由了，因为根本没有什么新闻和言论能推翻它了。只要有什么言论能撼动它的统治，那么这个言论的自由就必须消失。这就是你说的言论自由。在美国，被消失的人还少？
3. 只要有国家统治，就不会出现你说的所谓自由。

[Chad0000]

@sublimeyue
你这种人我没时间跟你纠缠，block

[AII]

@ljrdxs 胡锡进说高层领导可以打到复必泰，他们肯定是不怕的。
至于底层么，科兴国药那么大的市场利益摆着，委屈一下你们底层没什么的。

[TESTFLIGHT2021]

快回来，村里发金条了

[youhua]

哈哈，朋友本尊在此